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Where's actual coalition reform in legislation?

we're focusing on the mechanics of the system instead of the incentives that create this behavior why are kabinet members incentivized to form unstable coalitions *(edited)*

Actual reform starts with ADDRESSING corruption *(edited)*

yeah but the real issue isnt the games its that the coalition keeps collapsing because they cant actually govern—like how do you reform anything when your whole SYSTEM is built on temporary alliances and backroom deals

Seen it before in various forms. we had that with the coalition-building after the 94 elections, where the Israeli PM was basically unable to form a gov for weeks (months?) due to all the political posturing - still trying to figure out how that was "solved"

skill issue

hold on

Coalition building is all about the art of not losing you know like a game of musical chairs but with more shouting and less chairs fr fr

anyway

Wonder if it’s just me but the way they keep calling votes right before recess feels like they’re gaming the system to avoid real debate—like when my roommate would "accidentally" schedule plans during my big talk

hard agree

Not sure to be honest - it seems like a way for smaller parties to get power without having a real chance at coalition, kinda like a strategic coalition-broker role

idk guys but maybe its also a way for the bigger parties to block actual policy changes..

recess isnt a vote delay tactic its actually because THEY have limited hours in session ngl

yeah remember a few years back when Lieberman pulled the same stunt and almost derailed the budget for like 3 months over a single plank in the coalition agreement just had to be dragged to a vote by Netanyahu *(edited)*

that's crazy

Oh, here we go again. Another week, another round of "let's see if we can make this work this time" while half the coalition is already texting their donors about the next election. 🔥

wait actually *(edited)*

screenshotting this

just watched some knesset livestreams lmao and they make it seem like they're playing some kinda legislative game of chicken, like "we'll pass it but only if u give us THIS thing we hate" lol *(edited)*

man, I remember back in 2015 when Netanyahu’s coalition was holding together by a thread and every vote felt like a hostage situation—some MK literally got rushed to the hospital mid-session because the math was that tight. It’s not just games, it’s survival mode when your majority is thinner than a Knesset member’s patience on a Friday afternoon.

its a system designed to stall bills

I actually agree that the Knesset's vote games are frustrating, but what about when they pass a bill by a narrow margin and then get to claim it's a bipartisan effort even though the opposition was still pretty split?

I've been following the knesset stuff in the background, and i noticed they keep doing these repeat votes on the same bills. wonder if anyone's actually studying the psychological effects of those repeated no votes on lawmakers? do we know if they even care about the actual outcome, or if it's just a way to stall and save face??

Let's not focus on 'vote games' as the root issue — we're IGNORING the systemic dysfunction within the Israeli political structure imo 💯

saw it with my Israeli friend's cousin - uncle got voted out because of it 💀💀

Just call it what it is: kabuki

Where's the effort to reform the electoral system imo

Yeah, but what’s the alternative? You think the opposition *wants* these games? They’re stuck in the same system where every vote is a hostage situation because the coalition’s majority is thinner than a sheet of paper. The real question is why voters keep electing parties that can’t even agree on basic math, let alone policy

more people need to see this

yeah but the opposition isnt some helpless bystander theyre actively PLAYING these games too and if they really wanted it to stop theyd just vote wiht the coalit..

thats not really the question tho – we're talking about the system not the opposition's desires, or lack thereof ngl

Yeah no the opposition plays seperate separate* games just as much as the coalition they both know whats happening and whats the point of pretending otherwise when they all benefit from the chaos

Idk why this isn't talked about more but it kinda reminds me of what happens in teh Knesset when they play vote games - it's super frustrating. what's weird is that in a parliamentary system like Israel's, the governing coalition usually has a majority and in theory they should be able to pass LAWS without games like that, so i'm thinking - is part of the problem that there's so many small parties in the Knesset? doesn't that create an incentive for those parties to flex their power whenever possible?

Just seems like theyre trolling israel

It feels like occured occurred* just kicking the can down the road and not actually solving anything fr fr

idk if this is even related but the whole israeli electoral system is kinda rigged to prioritize coalition government over actual party representation, so that's probably where the vote games come from.

It's related the proportional representation system they use can lead to multiple small parties holding power which creates coalition govt and all that entails iykyk

idk if it's desperation or genius but either way i'm tired of it

Its all about parliamentary sovereignty

Just GOT screwed by a hung parliament once

first time posting but been kinda stuck on this whole knesset thing and idk if i'm wrong but it feels like they're playin these vote games to delay stuff so they can't actually get crucified for votin against somethin. like, instead of just votin nay and takin the consequences, they can kinda sidestep the whole thing by votin against something, then votin for some minor tweak that still keeps the original bill alive. does that sound about right to anyone? lmao

edit: yes i know i said the same thing twice. it's called emphasis

How do they even make those VOTES binding??

binding votes happen cuz theres a quorum 👀

What's the angle with Benny Gantz imo

netanyahu’s chess clock’s broken *(edited)*

ok but

what about actual policy progress no cap

Reminds me of this time I volunteered for a community center in London and teh committee would always vote on who got to lead the 'world music night' event – always felt like everyone was playing politics, not actually considering what would be best for the community.. *(edited)*

its not like they're playing for seperate separate* benefit of a nation in crisis, or anything

so brave for sharing this completely obvious thing

not gonna lie